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    The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List

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    Posted September 24, 2008 6:42 AM

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    In our first show since the last show, we take one single listener question and stretch it into 40 minutes of awesomeness with our friend Adam Nielsen, whom I am certain would like me to mention you can find him at the soon-to-be-newly launched Good-Twin.com. But the show's not about Adam, it's about 36 Point's recommendations for Fall Reading for Graphic Designers (even Superstar® Drew Davies phones his in), broken down into some odd and only loosely-followed guidelines. It's a very fun show, done in a single take, and it caps with a DVD Review of Speed Racer, which does not fare well under our steely gaze.

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    andyRespire | September 24, 2008 2:09 PM

    just FYI, crazy echo sounds at 10:20. Otherwise, great show!

    cody | September 24, 2008 2:18 PM

    I would suggest the book Cradle to Cradle By William McDonough & Michael Braungart. It is by far the best "green" design book out right now.

    Here is a link

    http://www.mcdonough.com/cradle_to_cradle.htm

    and here is a link to a ted talk William did

    http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/william_mcdonough_on_cradle_to_cradle_design.html

    Thomas Jockin | September 24, 2008 2:18 PM

    Yo guys. I'm the dude who submitted the portfolio review, which apparently is my claim to fame on the interwebs.

    Sadly I graduated from Parsons in May, so I can enter the competition, but I totally would if I could!

    Also, Nate, yes, I have read Element of Typographic Style from cover to cover— appendices and all!

    Honestly I find Noordzij's The Stroke to be a harder read, rather than Elements.

    Nate VossAuthor Profile Page | September 24, 2008 7:45 PM

    We are aware of that audio snafu and are working on a solution — stay tuned.

    Adam | September 24, 2008 8:33 PM

    Hey everyone. Sorry for the delay on the site. We had a few bugs that were last minute and they needed to be fixed before the launch. good-twin.com is officially launched now.

    Prescott Perez-Fox | September 25, 2008 5:31 PM

    I have not read Elements of Typographic Style. I have read most of the others you mentioned.

    Adrian's book is probably my favourite of the lot, for all the reasons discussed. However, this book has a pretty short half-life, and chances are that if you've worked in the industry for more a few years, you've learned most of these lessons the hard way. Great for graduates or anyone else who isn't sure what happens next.

    As a branding and identity geek, I enjoy Designing Brand Identity by Alina Wheeler. It discusses the theory involved, and shows plenty of case studies to demonstrate.

    Brandon Leedy | September 26, 2008 9:33 PM

    Did I hear my name twice? I was driving while listening to this today and couldn't believe it!

    Funny you mention portfolio reviews. We are actually re-doing the layouts and updating the work in our professional portfolios right now. So I might just send a copy when I'm done... I'd be honored to get some fresh critiques from some top notch Graphic Designers such as yourselves, if you.

    Thanks for answering the typography question too! (Already ordered "Elements..." on Amazon!) I want to "second" the suggestion for Cradle-to-Cradle. We are reading that for Industrial Design Theory class and most of us can't put it down.

    Also, in a semi-Drew Davies manner, I'd like to suggest "Letters To A Young Poet" by: Rainer Maria Rilke. It applies to most every artistic profession (despite saying poet) and is like receiving letters from an omniscient mentor every time it's read. In fact, I've re-read it every summer for a few years now (its rather short) and I find something new and inspiring every time. Highly Recommended for students.

    Jon | September 27, 2008 12:35 PM

    No links to the picks? I listened to the show and didn't take notes. I came here looking for an Amazon link list to all the picks. :(

    KC | September 29, 2008 12:27 AM

    I have also owned the Elements of Typographic Style for probably 5 years now and haven't managed to make it more than a fourth of the way through. I like to blame my inability to make it through the book on the fact that I do the majority of my work on the web where typography takes a back seat to whatever IE or FF deems worthy of supporting.

    justin paluch | September 30, 2008 3:39 PM

    Read the comments before listening, so for Jon:

    Books mentioned in the show:

    The Brand Gap
    Elements of Typographic Style
    A Brand Apart
    A Designer's Research Manual
    Paul Rand (by Stephen Heller)
    How to Be a Graphic Designer Without Losing Your Soul
    And Tango Makes Three
    How to Think Like a Great Graphic Designer
    Hatch Show Print
    Things I Have Learned In My Life So Far
    Masters of Design: Logos & Identity
    Hot, Flat & Crowded
    Once You're Lucky, Twice You're Good
    The Information Design Handbook
    Watching the Watchmen
    Batmanga

    Warner Onstine | October 1, 2008 10:32 AM

    Hey guys, I just wanted to write in and say thanks for attempting to answer my questions, unfortunately I must have miscommunicated or it just wasn't quite what you wanted to use for the show.

    While my question was "How do I become a better designer", the subject line for me says it all "Self-Taught Design Books". I am trying to learn how to be a designer and have been combing through Amazon to try and find books that will teach me those core ideas. Essentially I want to learn how to be a designer without having to take classes (if at all possible).

    Here are some of the ones I'm currently reading:
    Robin Williams Design Workshop

    and I have been going through this iTunesU podcast:
    http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.open.ac.uk.1543326380 (Design and Designing) which has some good exercises.

    I was thinking about picking this up.
    Typography Workbook: A Real-World Guide to Using Type in Graphic Design
    Making and Breaking the Grid: A Graphic Design Layout Workshop
    Logo Design Workbook: A Hands-On Guide to Creating Logos
    Layout Workbook: A Real-World Guide to Building Pages in Graphic Design
    Fingerprint: The Art of Using Hand-Made Elements in Graphic Design

    And just design books I was looking at:
    Zag
    Brand Gap
    The Dictionary of Brand
    Brand Apart (by Joe Duffy)

    This isn't to say the books you mentioned in the podcast weren't excellent recommendations, but just not quite what I was looking for advice on. Would love to hear from others on these books.

    Nate VossAuthor Profile Page | October 1, 2008 11:34 AM

    GEEZ MAN.

    Essential Principles of Graphic Design -- Debbie Millman

    Thinking with Type -- Ellen Lupton

    How to be a Graphic Designer Without Losing Your Soul -- Adrain Shaunessey

    And any book by Lynda.com for software training. In short, there is no one-stop solution for you. You would do well to read any of the books mentioned.

    justin paluch | October 1, 2008 11:39 AM

    Warner, I recommend hitting at least a few classes if your local community college or university offers them. I think the feedback and guidance that you get from an instructor and peers is pretty invaluable.

    Warner Onstine | October 1, 2008 6:29 PM

    Thanks!


    Donovan BeeryAuthor Profile Page | October 2, 2008 11:52 AM

    Justin, huge thanks for typing out the list. I added Amazon links to the bottom of the post, but only to our official 'list'. Yours even has ones we talk about in passing. Impressive.

    Warner Onstine | October 2, 2008 6:09 PM

    @justin
    I wish I could but I'm already working fulltime and going to school part time to finish my CS degree so it isn't really a possibility. I'm working through the "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" right now as I think it will give me a good foundation and then start working through all the design exercises that I've found so far.

    My fiancee picked up "Print" and "Communication Arts" for me to peruse as well, those are awesome magazines. As far as the technical stuff I know there are tons of good books out there (as well as videos), it's the foundational stuff that I'm unsure of personally. I think I have a good "feel" for good design, but I can't voice why it's good yet.

    Justin Paluch | October 5, 2008 10:46 PM

    No problem, it's a long and boring bus ride into work.

    Holli | October 10, 2008 11:55 AM

    Totally agree on Speed Racer. Saw it in the theater, unfortunately. In DLP. Don't ask why.

    I reviewed it myself this summer: http://hollirausch.com/archives/226

    In the review, I also expressed my fear of seizures.

    Princess Sophia | October 10, 2008 4:46 PM

    Hey guys, loved the reading list, but wanted to include another: "Caffeine for the Creative Mind" by Stefan Mumaw & Wendy Lee Oldfield. It's not so much a book you read cover-to-cover, but rather a book filled with exercises to awaken the designer's mind. Kinda takes me back to the days of student assignments. Once in awhile, I will have the people in my department pick one out, just as something to break up the monotony of our day.

    PLUS, the book does include a few designer interviews, including one from (gasp) Von Glitschka! (BTW, his two books of textures and patterns are DEFINITELY on my Christmas list.) Pretty spiffy.

    Micah | October 10, 2008 8:38 PM

    Warner I feel your pain about the school thing. I wish I could go back for further education in graphic and web design. Perhaps you should look at some books that are dedicated to the history of graphic design to get you some background of good design.

    Here are some books that were required when I was a student.

    1. Design Basics - DAVID A. LAUER & STEPHEN PENTAK
    2. Typographic Design: Form and Communication - ROB CARTER, BEN DAY, PHILIP MEGGS
    3. A History of Graphic Design - Philip B. Meggs

    Good luck! Graphic Design is super glamorous so get ready for fame and fortune!!!

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      Warner Onstine says: @justin I wish I could but I'm already working fulltime and going to school part time to finish my CS degree so it isn't really a possibility. I'm working through the "Drawing on the Right Side of the
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      Warner Onstine says: Thanks!
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      justin paluch says: Warner, I recommend hitting at least a few classes if your local community college or university offers them. I think the feedback and guidance that you get from an instructor and peers is pretty inva
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      Nate Voss says: GEEZ MAN. Essential Principles of Graphic Design -- Debbie Millman Thinking with Type -- Ellen Lupton How to be a Graphic Designer Without Losing Your Soul -- Adrain Shaunessey And any book by Lyn
    • The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List
      Warner Onstine says: Hey guys, I just wanted to write in and say thanks for attempting to answer my questions, unfortunately I must have miscommunicated or it just wasn't quite what you wanted to use for the show. While
    • The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List
      justin paluch says: Read the comments before listening, so for Jon: Books mentioned in the show: The Brand Gap Elements of Typographic Style A Brand Apart A Designer's Research Manual Paul Rand (by Stephen Heller) How
    • The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List
      KC says: I have also owned the Elements of Typographic Style for probably 5 years now and haven't managed to make it more than a fourth of the way through. I like to blame my inability to make it through the b
    • The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List
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      Brandon Leedy says: Did I hear my name twice? I was driving while listening to this today and couldn't believe it! Funny you mention portfolio reviews. We are actually re-doing the layouts and updating the work in our
    • The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List
      Prescott Perez-Fox says: I have not read Elements of Typographic Style. I have read most of the others you mentioned. Adrian's book is probably my favourite of the lot, for all the reasons discussed. However, this book has
    • The Reflex Blue Show with Nate Voss and Donovan Beery, Episode 18: Fall Reading List
      Adam says: Hey everyone. Sorry for the delay on the site. We had a few bugs that were last minute and they needed to be fixed before the launch. good-twin.com is officially launched now.
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      Thomas Jockin says: Yo guys. I'm the dude who submitted the portfolio review, which apparently is my claim to fame on the interwebs. Sadly I graduated from Parsons in May, so I can enter the competition, but I totally w
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